The Doctrine of Divine Nescience

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By RevLady

Herbert Spencer, April 27, 1820  December 8, 1903
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Herbert Spencer, April 27, 1820 December 8, 1903

Agnosticism

Most of us know of a prevailing attitude of mind that does not express itself by propounding a distinctive religious belief or doctrine, but rather by declining to have one, and by pronouncing all actual or possible theories incompetent. This attitude in our time is called agnosticism. It is the negation of real or possible knowledge concerning God and His relations to man and the world. God is, for the agnostic, an unknown quantity, of which we are not in a position to affirm anything.

Agnosticism, not to be confused with acognosticism (which claims we can not make any meaningful statement about God and that all God-talk is utter nonsense or empty rhetoric), may admit that God is, but what He is, it is claimed, no man can know.

Although Thomas Huxley coined the term "agnosticism," this doctrine of divine nescience (ignorance of God) is prominently associated with the name of Herbert Spencer who coined the phrase “survival of the fittest” and authored, A System of Synthetic Philosophy. In the chapter, First Principles, he discusses ultimate religious ideas, which ends with these ominous words: "The Power which the universe manifests to us is utterly inscrutable"

The relevance of this position on the important problem of the origin of the world he clearly indicated in the following sentences: "Respecting the origin of the universe, three verbally intelligible suppositions may be made. We may assert that it is self-existent, or that it is self created, or that it is created by and external agency. Which of these suppositions is most credible it is not needful here to inquire. The deeper question, into which this finally merges, is, whether any one of them is even conceivable in the true sense of the word."

In other words, in Spencer's opinion, atheism (there is no God), pantheism (universe and God are identical), and theism (God is Creator, personal and Ruler of the world) are all alike incompetent attempts to solve a problem which is really insoluble. The obvious practical lesson is that we should abstain from all such vain efforts, and rest in the conviction "that it is alike our highest wisdom and our highest duty to regard that through which all things exist as The Unknowable."

It is interesting that Spencer concedes that at least this much is known about the Unknowable: that it is a "Power which the universe manifests" and "through which all things exist. Thus, in my opinion, the light of reason would suggest that if this much can be known, a little more knowledge might also be possible, for instance, something might be learned about the ultimate Source of being from the world which it has brought into existence. This, however, is peremptorily denied by agnosticism which insists that the ultimate Cause of the world cannot be known through its effects.

While acknowledging that the phenomenal universe is the manifestation of a Power that cannot be identified with the totality of the phenomena, the agnostic maintains that we can learn nothing as to the nature of this Power from the qualities of the phenomena.

The fact that the agnostic position is hostile to Christianity is clear and need not be addressed in any detail. If from nature, history, or the human soul no hints of truths concerning God (except possibly acknowledging that He is), can be derived a higher revelation, is indeed incredible. Such faith in a self- revealing God, as one imbued with the agnostic temper still cherishes, can be but an evening twilight, after sunset, destined soon to fade into darkness.

If the teaching of Christ concerning God be true, it ought to be in harmony with what nature in all it spheres at least suggests, not to mention proves.

The Christian doctrine of God is in accordance with the latest teaching of science regarding the nature of force. According to that teaching, all physical forces are convertible into each other, and are all but diverse manifestations of one ultimate force. Thus the question arises, what is the nature of that ultimate force? The agnostic replies, it is inscrutable. But Christianity puts forth the inquiry, what if the Power that is at work in the universe be like that form of power with which we are most familiar, the power exercised by the Being who stands at the head of creations, and reveals the mind of the Creator - His Will power?

Again, if God, as Christ teaches, be like man, He possesses not only intellect, purpose and will, but moral character. Many have seen in the moral nature of man, the conscience, a powerful witness to the existence of God. Without calling in question the validity of the argument, my present purpose is to point to the human sense of right and wrong as showing not that God is, but what He is. History confirms the inference to morality in God suggested by an inspection of man's moral nature. Most all schools of thought are agreed that a moral order is revealed in the story of the human race. Also, characteristics of this Power are noticeable in human affairs. We all can confirm that it is oftentimes slow in action, especially on the punitive side, and it seems with all the regularity of a law, to sometimes treat the best of men as if they were the worst, making the good suffer as the bad should.

Thomas Henry Huxley, May 4, 1825 - June 29, 1895
Thomas Henry Huxley, May 4, 1825 - June 29, 1895

In Defense of the Faith, Theistic Proofs

Among the theistic proofs which have commanded wide acceptance, the foremost place is due to the three entitled respectively the cosmological, the teleological and the ontological, which may be called the standard arguments for the existence of a great First Cause.

CLARITY: Knowledge gained independent of experience is known as “a priori” knowledge. Knowledge proven through experience is called “a posteriori” knowledge.

Deductive argument asserts that the conclusion follows necessarily from the truth of the premises. For example: All cats have nine lives. Felix is a cat. Therefore Felix has nine lives. If the first two statements are true, then the conclusion must be true.

Inductive argument asserts that the conclusion does not follow necessarily, but probably from the truth of the premises. For example: This pill in the dispenser is blue. That pill in the dispenser is blue. Another pill in the dispenser is blue. Therefore all pills in the dispenser are blue.

The cosmological argument is a deductive argument with an a posteriori first premise. It argues from the mere existence of a world to an absolutely necessary Being from whom it took its origin. The world as a whole it regards as an effect whose cause is God. The basic premise is that something caused the Universe to exist, and this First Cause must be God, the Uncaused Cause.

The universe and contingent beings exist

Something caused its existence

Infinite regress of dependent existence is impossible

Therefore, there must be a First Uncaused Cause

The first Uncaused Cause is God.

The teleological argument is based on external evidence and attempts to prove the existence of God from external evidences. It is also a deductive argument with an a posteriori first premise:

The universe manifest evidences of design.

All design demands a designer

Therefore, there must be a designer.

The designer is God.

The ontological argument infers the existence of God from the idea of Him necessarily entertained by the human mind. It is also a deductive argument with an a posteriori first premise:

Everyone can conceive of God

God is that Being greater than that which cannot be conceived.

A non-existent God is not greater than that which cannot be conceived.

Therefore, God exists.

In all our formal argumentation we feebly try to assign reasons for a belief that is rooted in our being. In perusing works by others devoted to the advocacy of theism, we are conscious of disappointment, and possibly even of increased agnostic doubt rather than of faith established.

Christ taught that God is a Father and that man is His son, and that it is His leading purpose to establish between Himself and men a Kingdom of family relations and loving fellowship.

Prophetically interpreted, and expressed in the language of Christianity, these facts mean: that God is patient, slow to anger, prone to pardon, giving evil men ample space to repent; and that in the moral world the good are called to the heroic function of redeemers, propagators of righteousness, and as such have to suffer, the just for the unjust. In other words, the moral order of the world is not only a reign of retributive justice, but a reign of grace, under which love is the supreme law, will full scope for the display of its nature as a spirit of self-sacrifice and the stream of tendency is steadily towards the grand consummation, the ushering in of the Kingdom of God.

Man, his nature and position in the universe, is made the basis of the theistic argument. Science explains man from the world, but faith explains the world, in its first Cause and last End (God), from man. For Christianity, the results arrived at are not logically inevitable conclusions from absolutely certain premises. They are value judgments resting on moral grounds, and involving an exercise of freedom, a bias due to the esteem in which God holds man as a moral personality, and to regarding his moral nature and destiny as the key to the riddle of God’s universe.

A person can be an agnostic if he or she so chooses. Faith in God is an affair of personal conviction. No offense is meant by this statement. It is not intended to insinuate that unbelief is the effect of an unsatisfactory moral condition. I realize and acknowledge that there are many moral men and women who are agnostics as there are many Christians who are immoral. Nevertheless, it remains true that it is with the heart that man believes. God is the postulate of a soul that finds the world without God utterly black and unintelligible. For theists, the evidence for God's existence and the truth of Christianity is decisively decided in God's self revelation in Holy Writ and the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

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msorensson profile image

msorensson Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

What a fantastic hub, Rev. Lady!! Thank you for this~~

It is awesome!

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi msorensson,

Thank you for the stellar comment and positively contributing to my wonderful new day in Him. Blessings!!

Forever His,

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cheaptrick Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

At some point in our lives some of us make a choice to believe in the finite universe or to believe in the infinite universe.The finite has a beginning,God.The infinite has no beginning,No God.It is a simple choice.However,it can only be made out of faith because at the quantum level the finite becomes infinite and vise verse.Proving or disproving the existence of God is simply put"A dog chasing it's tail".either we take a"leap of faith"or we don't.

Submitted with respect

Dean

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Thank you Dean for your most interesting comments. It is very much appreciated as it invigorates my thinking capabilities. I agree that is a leap of faith which is to be distinguished from the fideistic leap in the dark.

Have a stellar day!

Forever His,

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Pamela99 Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

This hub is terrific. You spelled doctrine out with clarity. I always thought an atheist was one who absolutely didn't believe in God, a Christian, of course, is a believer and an agnostic simply didn't know what he believed. I guess I simplified the definition a little too much.

But, as you said you can choose as faith is a personal conviction of heart and I never knew that becoming a Christian would bring so much joy into my world over the past 25 years. It turned my life around.

God Bless you Rev Lady

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Pamela,

It lifts my spirit to know that this hub offered some clarity to your understanding of agnosticism though, it what I presented was just a drop in the bucket, if you will.

Christianity is my personal conviction of heart as well. All glory to our Father!!

Thank you my sister in Him!

Forever His,

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thevoice 2 years ago

beautiful five star hub work thanks

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v_kahleranderson 2 years ago

Good morning, Reverend Lady, I pray you had a beautiful Easter Sunday.

“Faith in God is an affair of personal conviction.” Oh, I like this very much! And, “it remains true that it is with the heart that man believes. God is the postulate of a soul that finds the world without God utterly black and unintelligible.” This says it like it was from my heart, Reverend Lady.

Just yesterday, Easter Sunday, I was expressing to my husband how dark my world would be today, if I had never met the Lord. He found me and showed me that I had some worth; He gave my life a reason to be.

This was an extremely informative hub, because I had never understood the differences of how God is viewed and/or explained by others. You have clarified this in a way I have been able to understand for the first time. Thank you!

Much love and many hugs to you, in Christ Jesus,

VKA

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Thevoice,

Thank you dear friend. Your words means much and encourages me to continue trying to lift up Christianity.

VKA,

Dear sister of mine. How pleased I am to have your visiting me.

We are on the same spiritual page VKA. I cannot imagine my life without my Lord. God has stepped into my personal situation so many times and lifted me out of impossible situations. Even in the pleasant times He has joined in every event and celebrated every joyful moment with me. I cannot help but try to do my best in presenting Christianity's truth against, what I believe, are sincere, but nevertheless, distortions of the Gospel's fundamental truths.

It is encouraging to my spirit which I accept as a gift from God, when readers are edified in even the tiniest way. All glory to God!!

Bless you and the Mr.

Love and hugs,

Forever His,

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creativeone59 Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Thank you Revlady, for a thought provoking and enligthening hub, thank you for sharing. Godspeed. creativeone59

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Creativeone, you have been supporting me for a while now and I need you to know how it touches me. I very much appreciate your daily meditations as well. Thank you.

Forever His

"Quill" 2 years ago

As always RevLady you place all in the thinking scale again with much wisdom and conviction.

A blessed Hub and one which I have bookmarked for future reference...

Blessings

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Now I know the difference RevLady, agno and agnocos, conscience I agree REVLADY, thats differentiates animals and other human beings from believers, and the morality of His teachings helps us as well! Maita

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

"Quill," Maita

Thank you for your gracious response to this hub. I think it is incumbent upon Christians to be aware of the foundation supporting the belief system of our antagonists.

Blessings to you both!!

Forever His,

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skye2day Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

Rev Lady, Wowzer, This is something. Fantastic. You have done your homework. One day the agnot there people will know. May God help them today. I can not imagine why they spin in the wind and get exhausted trying to prove something they can not prove. I pray to our Lord that whoever needs to read this will. Many are lost and many are stubborn. You have done a wonderful works in explaining this. This has been queit a read, very interesting. Great job Rev Lady. Praise the Lord, sister.

Many Blessings Rev. Lady. I love ya. Hugs sister.

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Yes, all praises to our Lord skye2day.

I believe time is winding down, the day is dimming, night is approaching. And as you said, "Many are lost and many are stubborn. "

I believe God will send those he desires to read this here, though they may not leave a comment. I pray that through some word or comment, unbelief might reconsider their ways and turn to the truth which is Christ Jesus.

Bless you my spirit-filled sister. Love and hugs back at you!!

Forever His,

P.S. I love "Wowzer,"

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Judah's Daughter Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

Wow, I'm glad the Bible doesn't read with such big words! lol ~ you know how to speak the language of Agnosticists and those of such intellect ~ I feel very "simple-minded" right now, and am thankful God (who is more intellectual than they, since He created them) could get through to my simple mind and heart...I admire you!!

I did think of a passage while reading about "ignorance": Acts 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent."

What really stood out and ministered to my heart was this: "in the moral world the good are called to the heroic function of redeemers, propagators of righteousness, and as such have to suffer, the just for the unjust." Take up His cross; amen!

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coffeesnob Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Profound hub. Agnosticism is more than simply saying "I don't know" And by what I have read here it seems it is a belief system that embraces the fact that there is an "unknown power" and that power is of the universe - yet there is no way to tap into the power that creates and maintains the world as we know it - much to think about here.

CS

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UlrikeGrace Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

RevLady...where were you when I was studying this two year ago at college? I could have used your succinct explanation. Very well done...This deserves more than one read...I do agree with you much can be known about God, yes, there is much that is beyond us about God because he is so all encompassing, BUT if one would even just observe nature...real nature...they would witness God in so many glorious facets. Thanks RevLady...you bless me and challenge me always to higher thinking...

Love and Grace

UlrikeGrace

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Your humility is touching my sister, Judah's Daughter, but you cannot fool me. I have read your writings in defense of the faith and you are far from "simple-minded," even though I know the feeling from reading many hubs that tied my brain in knots (smile).

I believe you and I (and others) follow the leading of His Spirit in presenting our brother and sister seekers of truth with the Word of Life as we understand is and leave the rest to God. As the levels of comprehension is as vast as the stars, and ignorance the enemy, God expects us to use all of the abilities He gave to us in the fight against the enemy. All glory to God!

Coffeesnob, EXACTLY. How sad for the agnostics. Worst yet for the acognostic.

UlrikeGrace, "BUT if one would even just observe nature...real nature...they would witness God in so many glorious facets." ABSOLUTELY!! and accounts for my love of nature. Allowing God to speak to us through the wonder of nature is a worship experience unlike anything else.

My precious sisters, thank you for ministering to my spirit and joining in uplifting our Lord. All glory to God!!

Forever His,

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Ken R. Abell Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Powerful writing. Well researched & presented. Appreciated your approach & perspective. Well done. Thank you.

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Always pleased by your visit Ken. Your comment is encouraging to my spirit and I appreciate it immensely.

Blessings to you my friend.

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Marliza Gunter 2 years ago

I also did not believe a word about God, until the day I saw my first Angel with wings in full manifestation right in front of me...but it wasn't until about 2 years later that I for the first time saw the Spirit of God...since then God has revealed Himself to me at least once every year...God is most definitely everything He says He is...I wish to remind people that God will reveal Himself to whom He will, the book of Mattheus says, to the pure at heart...be blessed Rev Lady.. :)

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Marliza Gunter, thank you for visiting and commenting dear friend. Yes, God does reveal Himself in many ways to those whom He will. May He continue to use you in His service. Angel blessings to you!!

Forever His,

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Dave Mathews Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

RevLady my sister thank you for the information even though it is knowledge I could have just as easily done without. The many non christian "isms" the many faceted faces of Satan, the enemy of God, the enemy of My Lord Jesus, my enemy. Thank goodness I don daily the armour of God himself to stand fast with confidence that God's Holy Spirit is my sword and shield, through the Word of The Lord.

Brother Dave.

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

I hear you Bro. The enemies are legion. We can imagine all the false doctrines Paul and some of the others had to contend with. It is not a pretty picture but it is the Christian life which is why we do need to be clad in the full armor of God. The Christian life, when reaching out to the unsaved, is a suffering life.

Blessings and goodwill,

Forever His,

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dfager 2 years ago

"A non-existent God is not greater than that which cannot be conceived". That's a profound statement! However, it puts our relationship with God in order. We don't make order or sense out of a godless chaos of the universe, instead; God reveals things to us in His order. That's what makes the Word of God in the Bible the living Word because it reveals a little more at each reading. It gives us a greater advantage over science because Christians should not get trapped within their own understanding (their own knowledge) but look to greater understanding as they learn more about their Creator.

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Dfager, PERFECTLY stated. I love your phrases. Your comments always enhance my hubs. Thank you so much.

Forever His,

Raymond 2 years ago

Thanks Rev Lady this is something to swollow and digest, a lot in it.

A friend of mine is an atheist, but I still keep sending to him about God, and he says it is touching him in a way he is starting to wake up.

and to all those who do not believe, in Jeremiah 7:29.it states quite clearly that those who did not listen, God said....You people have made me angry, and I have abandoned you.

and in 8;5. So why do you refuse to come back to me?. Why do you hold so tightly to your false gods?"

Great hub Rev.

God loves you

Ramon

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Thank you Raymond, dear brother in Him.

Your Scriptural comments are so true and I rejoice in your ministering to your seeker of truth friend in patience and love. May the Spirit continue to give you the words of Life to speak to him.

All glory to God!!

Forever His,

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A M Werner Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

RevLady, what a deep and interesting hub this is. It always perks my ears up when I hear individuals, religious or not, speak of survival of the fittest, and power to manage, organize and maintain. When the idea of a Creator is taken away, it leaves a gap, a place where men and women can take the initiative to define and institute their own justice. One person, with enough support and firepower, can control the behaviors and thoughts of others with coercion and fear. If there is no Creator, and no one we are answerable too, we might well be animals, taking and stealing and killing one another for our own personal gain. We are fools not to do otherwise. But I guess that is why the Bible says we are fools for Christ's sake. Our personal conviction truly is one of faith in the unseen - in promises not to be revealed unto we stand before the Creator. We will be smiling while many others are crying. Peace.

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Thank you and well said, AM.

When all is said and done, we know He lives and we are persuaded that one day the evil will cease from troubling and His people will abide in His Kingdom forevermore.

Blessings and His joy!!

Forever His,

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pmccray Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

A person can be an agnostic if he or she so chooses. - this is my position on Christianity. God Our Father sacrificed His only begotten son for our sins, and yet gives us a CHOICE to believe or not believe. This is what I tell those that scoff at the Christian belief system. It your choice . . God does not want those by force, but what if your wrong?

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

AMEN, PM, what is they are wrong. If we are wrong, we have lost nothing. But, if they are wrong, they have lost ETERNAL LIFE with THE MAN.

Thanks dear sister in Christ Jesus for coming by and leaving a wonderful insight.

Forever His,

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

It is always a pleasure to learn and read your hubs, Ms RevLady, and the other tweets in the places where you write I started to read it, Bless and good am, Maita

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Bless you precious one. All love and a big hug in His name.

Forever His,

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DeBorrah K. Ogans Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

RevLady, Excellent theology lesson! There is none more Divine nor above our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! I find it interesting that the term divine is related to holiness and the supernatural! Yet, his theory is; The Doctrine of Divine Nescience. It is quite egotistical to negate the existence of God who TRULY is DIVINE and elevate yourself… Then subscribe to there being an unknown power…

We know that God is Sovereign and the only Supreme Creator, Maker, Ruler and POWER of heaven and earth and the universe! This belief is ingrained into the fabric of who we are without question, those who are committed believers! You have well presented the fallacy of one enlisting to ignore the existence of God!

“Again, if God, as Christ teaches, be like man, He possesses not only intellect, purpose and will, but moral character. Many have seen in the moral nature of man, the conscience, a powerful witness to the existence of God. Without calling in question the validity of the argument, my present purpose is to point to the human sense of right and wrong as showing not that God is, but what He is…” Amen!

“Prophetically interpreted, and expressed in the language of Christianity, these facts mean: that God is patient, slow to anger, prone to pardon, giving evil men ample space to repent; and that in the moral world the good are called to the heroic function of redeemers, propagators of righteousness, and as such have to suffer, the just for the unjust. In other words, the moral order of the world is not only a reign of retributive justice, but a reign of grace, under which love is the supreme law, will full scope for the display of its nature as a spirit of self-sacrifice and the stream of tendency is steadily towards the grand consummation, the ushering in of the Kingdom of God.” This is profound truth!

Regardless of what anyone thinks God made the world and everything that is in it! Man in his finite ignorance due to his own insecurity continues to define life apart from God! This is insidious! It further serves to demonstrate the Love and patience of GOD! Who has the power to readily extinguish anyone who does not believe. Yet, He gives them the time and choice to seek Him out! “...God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being...” Acts 17.

Wonderful exegesis my sister! Thank you for sharing and allowing the Light of TRUTH to shine brightly! In His love, Peace & Blessings!

,

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RevLady Hub Author 2 years ago

Your commentary is so much appreciated and expanded the concepts I presented, thereby making it even more valuable to readers. Thank you.

I am pleased that the Lord uses limited me, from time to time, to expose theories that contradicts or diminishes His sovereign divinity. All glory to God!!

Love, peace and blessings to you pastor, for your theological input and friendly support.

Forever His,

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

Wow! I thought your previous articles were deep but this time you are in some heavy theological/philosophical territory. Makes me proud to know you, sister. I enjoyed this thoroughly and of course, I agree with your conclusions. This was quite a mental exercise. Great work!

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